Curse

Domino · Nov 06, 2006, 04:48 AM // 04:48

Hmmmmm..... pay 10k for a run to Droknar's Forge

or take a 5 second boat ride and short walk to Kaineg Center from Lion's Arch

decisions... decisions....

CyberNigma · Nov 06, 2006, 05:19 AM // 05:19

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Originally Posted by Gorebrex

I knew that almost from the start.
Sorry, but I dont find any of those legitimate reasons. Learn the characters fullest potential through use. If you already have a character of that type(new R/E, and you already have an R/E) Id wonder why you made another.
I usually dont complain about it, but WILL say to one of those, if they ask to be in my party, something like, "Gain a few more lvls" or "I dont party with people that are (what I consider to be) too low a level for the area. Like lvl 17 for desert, or 16, and at least 50% to lvl 17.

I dont think 10 characters means too much time. Hell, we shouldve had 6 character slots, not 4, when Prophecies came out, so you could have a primary in every class, but that didnt happen. Ive just gotten another character slot(as a temp mule until I get Factions), which makes 5, and Ive played the other 4 all the way through the game. Im also going to play this newest on all the way through, as I will with any other character I may get in the future. I cant understand how, if you dont enjoy the game enough to play it through again, why youd make another character, unless youre using them as a mule.

Why? WHY is it almost always called "crying", when people complain about something like this. Hell, we could just as easily say youre(not you specifically, but those sharing your view)are crying to keep running in. Im not saying it should be made impossible in any of the games out now(Prophecies, Factions, or Nightfall), but SHOULD be impossible in the future. Running, to me, just smacks of cheapness.

cyring is usually in response to something they perceive as being bad done to them, kinda like my message - the bad being the thread I suppose, so yeah I was crying. some people see running as being something bad being done to them. I don't see how unless you are guildless and dependent on players to play the missions. I've done every mission in Tyria (where running 'appears' top be a problem) with henchies. as far as the reasons mentioned, well remember some people just learn much slower than others and so playing through the game with each class is needed. I have two warriors post-searing due to the weapons that I collect (one exclusively hammer, the other mainly sword) and lack of storage to keep it all on one character. the third warrior is a permanent pre-searing Tyria warrior. all of the others are different classed.

I love the desert, Kryta, Ascalon, and Grenth's Footprint... I hate maguuma and the fire islands. therefore, I like to get characters to say Grenth's Footprint without having to deal with the jungle again. I don't see why people insist we should do stuff we don't like. I guess it's some kind of manly thing or something to have everyone do everything with every character. ?

also, some people enjoy certain parts of the game more than others. I don't care to herd cows across a garrison again trying to keep them alive. it was neat the first time.. end-game areas are fun and replayable to many people.

here's the thing though. allowing the runners does not mean you have to run or be run. therefore it does not impose your way of playing the game upon others. disallowing runners and preventing say the droks run imposes your play style on them whereas it doesn't give you any benefit. I've already finished everything (about, a few long quests still ahead) in Elona with my new Paragon. I'm also almost grandmaster cartographer. I enjoy exploring and Elona is very good about not locking every single gate like Cantha. there were areas me and guildies could explore and then come back and do the missions/quests. exploring is a nice little escape mechanism. if someone runs to an end-game area...well I don't really care because I've got guildies and heroes along with henchies. I don't care if they sit there forever not being able to get through a mission because they ran their first character through.

cheap is not getting what you want out of a game. cheap would be if you were able to make the other players play the way you thought it should be played. my Tyrian warrior now is playing through all of the missions and mapping everything out, but not doing all of the quests (especially not the cow-herding quest or some of the torment quests). I will be in the elite mission when it's released, probably over and over.

there are some people that would consider it cheap to play through the game because you aren't fighting 'real' opponents like in PvP. it's opinion. allowing runners doesn't stop you from playing your way. disallowing runners DOES stop them from playing their way. quit being an ass about it and let them play their game the way they want. closed gates screw explorers as much as it screws runners. I also run with a few ppl that are going after all the titles. it could be said that cheap means not playing the game to its fullest (going after every title there is to achieve).

to the original poster, easy solution - run ppl at a cheaper rate until you make enough money to get your own character run at the going rate. I understand wanting to run your 8th character through. some people don't have anything else to do but tell you how to play the game. I used to run guildies' extra characters (I refused to run anyone's first character) but I don't even do that anymore with the ability to go to Kaineng and get max armour. I even had some of my guildies go get collector's armour in the desert instead of thinking they needed drok's armour.

as far as the person I replied to. I agree whole-heartedly with your decision not to party with (really) lower level characters. I do not either. That's my choice as well. If they are getting there then they need to make arrangements to level up or get guildies (or pay someone in-game) to help them. I'll only do that for guildies and friends. You definitely shouldn't even feel the need to justify it. There's no reason you should be compelled to do more work for anyone that is going the quick route in order to do less work themselves. I for one would feel ashamed at asking to party with someone twice my level lol so I agree whole-heartedly with you on that.

if it was up to me, there wouldn't be any closed gates, but you couldn't do the missions out of order. Nightfall is a good (very good) in-between, where you can explore most areas in a section (istani, kourna, vabbi, desolation) without having to advance in the party. If they want the end-game items, well then they do the missions/primary quests, but they still do not have to do the 'extra' quests unless they need the sunspear points. I always felt that it was 'cheap' that you got to Yak's Bend just by finishing Nolani Academy. I, personaly, explored and opened up Yak's Bend before taking the express way of doing the mission. I couldn't justify my character just being popped in there without having made it there the hard way.

EDIT: btw, there should be something (the user titles) for long-winded overhyped messages like mine :-)

Batou of Nine · Nov 06, 2006, 05:38 AM // 05:38

lol..

**cosyfiep** · Nov 06, 2006, 06:02 AM // 06:02

you can easily skip the jungle, and you dont need to run either. If you go from temple to sanctum kay do that mission it puts you right in the desert. I did it with my canthan characters (later went back and did those missions as well).

I have 9 characters, 6 of whom have done all of tyria (my latest monk hasnt gone back to ascalon yet, The missions are easy, and I did most of them with her in one day from LA to ascension).

I bought the game to PLAY it not get run around, half of the content of tyria is under level 20 so you miss more than half the game by 'running'. (only the southern shiverpeaks and fire islands are level 20, even the desert really isnt considered level 20 since you have not ascended yet).

And as many of the comments have suggested, why are you starting a character in ascalon when you can start one in canthan and get it up to level 20 in a few hours of actual play? THEN you take the boat to LA and go back to droks if you really need that armor/city.

I have never really been for running, even with my umptenth character, I will still play the missions. I will take my elonians back to prophecys to do those missions with them because I want to play the game, not just get to someplace. (I may even take them to cantha if people are still playing it when I get done with tyria).......running....dont quite understand the need.

ogami_ito · Nov 06, 2006, 06:23 AM // 06:23

I ran two characters recently. At first i didn't want to do the run...because I'm always short of cash. But it sure beats playing the same game all the way through just to get to S. Shiverpeaks. And I certainly did not do it for the armor... I did it for Evicerate - one of the best Warrior elites in the game - and Virulence and other rockin S. Shiverpeaks elites.

Wonder if there are any running opportunities in Elonia?

Talic · Nov 06, 2006, 06:24 AM // 06:24

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Originally Posted by Domino

Hmmmmm..... pay 10k for a run to Droknar's Forge

or take a 5 second boat ride and short walk to Kaineg Center from Lion's Arch

decisions... decisions....

DING DING! and we have a WINNER!

People seem to forget that kaineng has max armor, different mods for the same skin, and is 100% easier, just get to LA, take the boat, run from dock to kaineng and bam.

Quid Pro Quo · Nov 06, 2006, 06:25 AM // 06:25

I've played through the game completely (including quests) 3 times and ran myself around the rest of the time.

Thats the only reason I have the characters I have now. I just don't like doing stuff I've already done. I probably won't make new characters for the new chapters either. I don't like being forced to follow the story and path perfectly.

I realised thats the reason I loved prophecies so much. The freedom. Today I ran myself to droks and ascalon on my Dervish and had a blast doing it. If I wasn't able to do that anymore I probably would of gotten bored of the game earlier and stopped playing Guild Wars which would of prevented me from purchasing the later expansions.

Oh and reasons for running can sometimes be so simple as to just wanted to be somewhere. Its just convenient to have places to map to easily.

strcpy · Nov 06, 2006, 07:37 AM // 07:37

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Originally Posted by Pkest

I think prophecies characters are mostly going to Kaineng center (assuming they have factions) to get max armor. Most of the people wanting runs now are foreign chars trying to get to the skill caps they need without going through all the desert mission tedium. Most of them probably would pay more than 2k to get there. 10k seems high but it's a runner's market. If they can get 10k then so be it.

QFT.

The last run to droks I got was for a level 20 factions necro to get spiteful spirit. Just irritating to go the long way. At that point in the game I can afford 10k without a big issue. Though that run was when the price was still 3k.

I decided to finally add the last profession I do not have (a mesmer) as a tyrian for skill unlocks (with the heroes unlocks are suddenly important for PvE also). She is getting run to LA, then to Kamadan, get her heroes and max armor from the consolate docks. Much cheaper, quicker, and I get heroes to boot.

MirageCloud · Nov 06, 2006, 08:13 AM // 08:13

May I ask, just how the run got harder? I'm at school so I can't check myself.

Bokocasso · Nov 06, 2006, 08:43 AM // 08:43

MirageCloud it's pretty much nowhere to rest and golems chasing you all the way long now. About the topic : I don't think that playing prophecies for 8th time is a pleasure. Especially when I know I have to do all Elonian missions again. I started a warrior 6 days ago and I must say that the amount of decent runners is really low. Well I did run myself with 2nd account from ascalon > desert, did my missions @ lv 2-3 and doppelganger got me to lv 14 as far as I remember (not significant at all). And yep I worked myself to droks and to the sunspear sanctuary with running and fighting as well. And I consider that making sure my warrior ends up being perfect. And the thing that irritated me the most is that at lv18 they wouldn't accept me into Iron Mines mission parties. Because it was supposed to be lv20 only. And tell me how many of these pigmail wammos have even one attribute quest done or at least 13-14 attribute in any mastery... Well I once henched these SS missions with a lv 9 warrior with no help other than henchies. So don't tell us that running is cheating, please - it is a very useful option that doesn't consume your time. And armor is KC IS FUGLY.

aron searle · Nov 06, 2006, 09:34 AM // 09:34

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Originally Posted by gorebrex

Learn the characters fullest potential through use.

Some of us learn quicker than others, why should i go at your pace and not my own?

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If you already have a character of that type(new R/E, and you already have an R/E) Id wonder why you made another. / snip if you dont enjoy the game enough to play it through again, why youd make another character,

2 things

1. i know a number of people re-rolling toons because they want to change appearence/name.

2. what buisness is it of yours.

Zui · Nov 06, 2006, 10:02 AM // 10:02

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Originally Posted by Gorebrex

I knew that almost from the start.
Sorry, but I dont find any of those legitimate reasons. Learn the characters fullest potential through use. If you already have a character of that type(new R/E, and you already have an R/E) Id wonder why you made another.
I usually dont complain about it, but WILL say to one of those, if they ask to be in my party, something like, "Gain a few more lvls" or "I dont party with people that are (what I consider to be) too low a level for the area. Like lvl 17 for desert, or 16, and at least 50% to lvl 17.

Some people already know a charactars potential. They may have another Elementalist for example, or have had another Mesmer but wanted to re-make it to get a Female Mesmer instead of a Male Mesmer. They may have extensively played that class in PvP, and are now making a PvE. Another very valid argument is the game does not really start until level 20. You play through things, and such, but you're at no where your charactars potential for anything, and as such have no way to fully learn it until then.

I really have to laugh at the "if you already have an R/E" argument. Someone could be remaking their Ranger to get a different look. Someone could have a Ranger/Mesmer, and be making a Ranger/Elementalist. Although, why anyone wouldn't just do the secondary profession quests so they can change it whenever they want on their existing charactar baffles me. Remaking a charactar for a different look, or making another of the same class for a different look however, seems entirely rational.

You have the right to not party with them.

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Originally Posted by Gorebrex

I dont think 10 characters means too much time. Hell, we shouldve had 6 character slots, not 4, when Prophecies came out, so you could have a primary in every class, but that didnt happen. Ive just gotten another character slot(as a temp mule until I get Factions), which makes 5, and Ive played the other 4 all the way through the game. Im also going to play this newest on all the way through, as I will with any other character I may get in the future. I cant understand how, if you dont enjoy the game enough to play it through again, why youd make another character, unless youre using them as a mule.

You don't think that playing through all the game content for every chapter on ten charactars takes alot of time? Are you on crack and play this game 18 hours a day? Either way, there's other legitimate reasons to want to skip storyline content. Like having played through it on 4 charactars for example, and helping 20 friends through the same content, so it's essentialy like playing it over for the 25th time if you're forced to do it again. That is not fun. You dismiss this, though, my answer to your dismissal is not everyone thinks the way you do, and enjoys the game the way you do. Higher level, harder content is more enjoyable than lower level content for many people. Is it so wrong for them to skip content they've completed twenty times already because they do not enjoy it anymore? Where do you get off on telling people how they should play the game? If you can play how you want, and they can play how they want, and both ways of playing don't hurt eachother in any way at all, where is the problem?

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Originally Posted by Gorebrex

Why? WHY is it almost always called "crying", when people complain about something like this. Hell, we could just as easily say youre(not you specifically, but those sharing your view)are crying to keep running in. Im not saying it should be made impossible in any of the games out now(Prophecies, Factions, or Nightfall), but SHOULD be impossible in the future. Running, to me, just smacks of cheapness.

Because, you are saying that everyone must conform to the way you see it. Everyone else is saying that people should be able to pick the way they want to play the game, as long as it doesn't harm any other players, and then play the game that way.

People who want to keep running in the game is a vast majority of players. They're of the stance they should be able to play the game how the like to, since it doesn't harm anyone else, and everyone else can pick in regards to being run, or not being run. The average PvE player simply doesn't have 12 hours a day to play Guild Wars. He has maybe one, or two. He's like "ok, I've been through the low level stuff alot, and helped fifty guildies through it, but I don't really enjoy it much, I absolutly love level 20 content and FoW/UW, though. Hmm, I'll pay some money, and skip right to the part of the game I enjoy playing after an hour of being run! Now I'm able to have fun without spending 15 hours(a week or two of playtime) completing game content I don't like! This rocks!"

bungusmaximus · Nov 06, 2006, 10:20 AM // 10:20

ROFL, i got my droks ron for free, someone was testing a new build and the test succeeded. I tipped him 1k and he was completely flabberghasted by so much generosity....

Guildmaster Cain · Nov 06, 2006, 10:39 AM // 10:39

Getting to Droks:

1: Playing through whole game, defeating doppleganger and do Dragons Lair.
2: Get a run to Beacons Perch, get a run to Droks.
3: Play Nightfall, get a Wurm, talk to NPC in Crystal Overlook, get transported to Kryta by him, do desert missions.

Gonzo · Nov 06, 2006, 10:43 AM // 10:43

I don't see how the OP is complaining, as he says he is a runner himself. If he sticks to his original price doesn't this mean more costumers for him?

Sli Ander · Nov 06, 2006, 09:13 PM // 21:13

For the people talking about being able to play the way you want(which I completely agree with even though I don't run any of my chars), heres a quote from a comic I read: "Theres room enough for everyone in this world. If there isn't, we can always add more servers."

But thats just my two cents

Bale_Shadowscar · Nov 06, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48

I've never been run before, but I can see the appeal for NF/Factions characters to want a run to Droks. (Cap skills etc; I wanted my NF Necro to go to droks to get some Tyrian 15k armor)

The reason the price is higher is because less people are playing prophecies, so overall less people are wanting a run to droks. To keep their income coming in, the runners have to increase their prices.

aubee · Nov 06, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

This post was STARTED by a runner...i run people to droknars regularly, and i dont overcharge, and even since the update nothing has changed for me...

so THANKS for totally flaming me

Ill put it this way, what if petrol prices became 10 bucks a litre? You wouldnt be the SLIGHTEST bit irritated? And not because its a necessity, its because its something you really do need ~ and i need a run to Droks (so i can wear my pretty tyrian armor skins

)

anyways im over it now, time to start doing ALL those missions for the 8th time since i started playing...

If you're a runner, just make a run yourself at 10K per head with your wammo and then use the profits to buy the run for your new character. You'll even have a 40K bonus to spend on his/her pretty tyrian armor.

Barring that, at least get runs to Temple of the Ages and then to Sanctum Cay as that will save you the trouble doing all the missions. Runs to ToA and then to Sanctum Cay should be pretty cheap as well as quick.

Eviance · Nov 06, 2006, 10:31 PM // 22:31

Ya know I have a suspiscion that those arguing that we should play through the game might also be the same people that get peeved when you don't skip the cutscene because they have already seen it. However its just speculation ~_^

If the class is hard to play I play through the game so as to get a feel for it... If it's something as simple as a wammo, heck yeah I am getting a run as my wammo does one thing: farms!
I do not agree with first timers getting a run and never will, but beyond that people should be allowed to play as they see fit and not have to worry about others dictating how they play. Maybe they had a warrior before and deleted it so they could take another char all the way through but decided that this time they want that warrior for something specific - they already know how to play it, so why should they learn it again?
Some people use their chars for storage reasons, selling, or mules and like to have all the big selling towns mapped so that they are not restricted to selling in Ascalon D1 where no one buys anything anymore. Are they cheating? NO they aren't "playing" that char so why would it be cheating?!

Really some people just need to get over it and themselves -_- If they suck as a player then they likely got run, but then they likely ebayed as well, or mooched... So what, don't play with them anymore or stick to your guildies/henchies. You are not being FORCED to play with those people. I suck at playing my warrior just cause well I suck at tanking in general so I typically don't play it unless someone wants it. I played my mesmer all the way through and I STILL suck at playing her - no difference, I am just better at necro and ranger for some reason and those are my preferred classes. Ranger was played all the way through, necro about halfway - so what? I'm still pretty darned good with both and running didn't affect my ability to learn.

anna · Nov 06, 2006, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

This post was STARTED by a runner...i run people to droknars regularly, and i dont overcharge, and even since the update nothing has changed for me...

so THANKS for totally flaming me

LOL!